Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/15/2023 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:01:34 AM Start
09:04:28 AM Presentation: Alaska Industrial Development Authority
10:42:44 AM Adjourn
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Presentation: Alaska Industrial Development &
Export Authority by Randy Ruaro, Exec. Director
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 15, 2023                                                                                            
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:01:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Randy   Ruaro,   Executive   Director,   Alaska   Industrial                                                                    
Development and Export Authority; Senator Cathy Giessel.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amy  Adler, Acting  CFO, ADIEA,  Anchorage; Geoffrey  Johns,                                                                    
Acting Chief Investment Officer, AIDEA.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  commented that he had  a conversation with                                                                    
a colleague from the other body  and had received a chart he                                                                    
thought  would be  useful.  He thought  the  chart might  be                                                                    
helpful   when   referencing  capital   appropriations.   He                                                                    
referenced  a  printed chart  entitled  "Swoop  Graph -  UGF                                                                    
Only,  FY24 Governor's  Budget Compared  to FY23  Management                                                                    
Plan," (copy on file).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman relayed  that the  committee would  hear a                                                                    
presentation  from  the  Alaska Industrial  Development  and                                                                    
Export  Authority  (AIDEA).  He  noted  that  the  executive                                                                    
director was new to the position.  He had asked for AIDEA to                                                                    
have frank discussions  of the topics and noted  that it was                                                                    
working through  some challenges that were  present when the                                                                    
executive director came to the position.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:04:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY   RUARO,   EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,   ALASKA   INDUSTRIAL                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT  AND EXPORT  AUTHORITY,  introduced himself  and                                                                    
relayed  that he  had  started his  position  on January  3,                                                                    
2023.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked Mr. Ruaro to discuss his background.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  discussed his background, which  went back twenty                                                                    
years in state government. He  had worked in the legislative                                                                    
office for  former Governor Frank  Murkowski and  had worked                                                                    
for  former Governor  Sarah Palin  and former  Governor Sean                                                                    
Parnell.  He had  worked  for Governor  Mike  Dunleavy as  a                                                                    
deputy chief  and chief  of staff.  Before working  in state                                                                    
government, he  had worked in private  practice, previous to                                                                    
which  he had  worked  at  the Ketchikan  Pulp  Mill and  in                                                                    
commercial fishing.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked if  Mr.  Ruaro  had worked  in  the                                                                    
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro relayed  that he  had worked  with Representative                                                                    
Bill  Williams, Representative  Kyle Johanson,  and for  Co-                                                                    
Chair Stedman.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  thought Mr.  Ruaro  had  a good,  rounded                                                                    
background in both areas of government.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  discussed  a  PowerPoint  presentation  entitled                                                                    
"Alaska   Industrial   Development  and   Export   Authority                                                                    
Overview,"  (copy on  file). He  looked at  slide 2,  "AIDEA                                                                    
Mission," and summarized that AIDEAs   simple mission was to                                                                    
create  economic development  and  jobs. He  noted that  the                                                                    
mission was  easy to follow  and the reasons,  findings, and                                                                    
policy  were  set out  in  statute  by the  legislature.  He                                                                    
relayed  that the  legislature had  found that  there was  a                                                                    
need for an  entity such as AIDEA with  financing ability to                                                                    
help promote jobs and economic development.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro spoke to slide 3, "AIDEA Overview":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Investing in Alaskans since 1967                                                                                       
      Alaska's Development Finance Authority                                                                                 
       Financially Self-Sustaining  Public Corporation  (no                                                                  
        GF by statute AS 44.88.190(b))                                                                                          
       The authority is a  public corporation of  the state                                                                  
        and a  body  corporate  and politic  constituting  a                                                                    
        political  subdivision  within  the   Department  of                                                                    
        Commerce, Community,  and Economic  Development, but                                                                    
        with separate and independent  legal existence (Sec.                                                                    
        44.88.020).                                                                                                             
       The purpose of the authority is to promote, develop,                                                                  
        and advance  the  general  prosperity  and  economic                                                                    
        welfare of  the  people  of  the state,  to  relieve                                                                    
        problems of unemployment,  and to  create additional                                                                    
        employment (Sec. 44.88.070).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro showed slide 4, "AIDEA Program Highlights.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro turned  to slide  5, "LOAN  Participation Program                                                                    
(LPP)":                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  LPP provides  long-term  fixed  rate financing  to                                                                    
     Alaska's  commercial  businesses, through  a  qualified                                                                    
     financial  institution,   principally  in   support  of                                                                    
     construction   and   economic    growth   in   Alaska's                                                                    
     commercial real estate sector.                                                                                             
     Current LPP Statistics:                                                                                                    
     • $422 million of program loans outstanding                                                                                
     • Total LPP loans  outstanding has increased nearly 34%                                                                    
     over the last 5 years                                                                                                      
     •  Current borrowers  are represented  by 28  different                                                                    
     industries                                                                                                                 
        Current   loans  outstanding  represent   over  6.75                                                                    
     million sq. ft. of total commercial collateral                                                                             
     throughout the State of Alaska                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  relayed that  AIDEAs  Loan  Participation Program                                                                    
(LPP) was a commercial lending  program, and usually took on                                                                    
roughly 70 percent  of a loan with a  participating bank. He                                                                    
commented on the  success of the program.  He estimated that                                                                    
AIDEA received  almost 55 percent  of its revenue  from LPP.                                                                    
He commented on the experienced  staff in place and the goal                                                                    
to continue  to grow the program.  He highlighted statistics                                                                    
shown on  the right-hand  side of  the slide,  including $20                                                                    
million in total amount of  projects being financed and $410                                                                    
million  in  loans outstanding.  He  commented  that he  was                                                                    
aware of very few defaults.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:08:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  considered slide  6, "Alaska's  Ship Home-Porting                                                                    
For  Improvements Program  (AK  SHIP)," and  noted that  the                                                                    
program helped  in promoting ship-building in  the state. He                                                                    
hoped  to  expand the  program.  He  was working  with  some                                                                    
community  development quota  (CDQ)  groups to  get as  many                                                                    
ships  built in  Alaska  as possible.  He  noted that  AIDEA                                                                    
owned the shipyard  in Ketchikan and was looking  at ways to                                                                    
grow more business at the shipyard.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  displayed slide  7,  and  discussed the  Conduit                                                                    
Revenue  Bond  Program,  through  which  AIDEA  acted  as  a                                                                    
conduit borrower  with the principal and  interest paid back                                                                    
by a third party. He  mentioned the Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                                    
(TCC)  facility as  an example,  with an  over $126  million                                                                    
bond  issuance.  He noted  that  AIDEA  had been  active  in                                                                    
healthcare   but   was   talking  with   communities   about                                                                    
significant  opportunities. He  discussed a  project related                                                                    
to port development in Skagway,  and his recent visit to the                                                                    
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  asked about the Conduit  Revenue Bond Program                                                                    
as well  as the  LPP and asked  about positive  and negative                                                                    
experiences  and the  default  rate on  loans.  He asked  if                                                                    
there had been any missed payments on the conduit bonds.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro answered  "no" and  was not  aware of  any missed                                                                    
payments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked  Mr. Ruaro to get back  to the committee                                                                    
with the default rate for LPP.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro agreed to provide the information.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro highlighted slide 8, "AIDEA Project Financing":                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Assists  Alaskans through  AIDEA's ability  to develop,                                                                    
     own  (in whole  or in  part) and  finance installations                                                                    
     and  facilities  within  the  state,  especially  those                                                                    
     which advance economic development within a community,                                                                     
     borough, or region of the state.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  looked at slide  9, "Project Financing -  Red Dog                                                                    
Mine | DMTS," and thought the  Red Dog Mine was AIDEAs  most                                                                    
successful  project. He  cited  that the  mines  return  was                                                                    
close  to $1  billion,  and  that the  project  was a  major                                                                    
driver  of  economic benefit  and  jobs.  He mentioned  NANA                                                                    
Regional Corporation. He  thought the mine had  a 60 percent                                                                    
shareholder hire  rate in  the region.  He cited  that while                                                                    
the current mine  was anticipated to run out  in 2031, there                                                                    
were two  other deposits  nearby on state  land and  Red Dog                                                                    
Mine facilities could continue for many years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:12:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  asked about  the first  bullet on  the slide,                                                                    
"Without  AIDEA there  would be  no mine,"  and thought  the                                                                    
mine  had been  a responsible  development. He  referenced a                                                                    
consultants  report  that had indicated that  the mine would                                                                    
have proceeded without AIDEA.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro argued that the  mine had needed AIDEAs  financing                                                                    
to get  started. He referenced  legislation that had  set up                                                                    
the  economic development  program  at  AIDEA, and  approved                                                                    
bonding of  $160 million for the  infrastructure project. He                                                                    
had talked  with others that  had been involved at  the time                                                                    
that  indicated that  the financing  had not  been available                                                                    
without AIDEAs assistance.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Olson noted  that  the  Red Dog  Mine  was in  his                                                                    
district  and understood  that after  the market  challenges                                                                    
that  existed in  the  1980s there  would  have been  enough                                                                    
demand.  He  thought  the project  may  have  been  possible                                                                    
without  AIDEA   participation,  although  on   a  different                                                                    
timeline.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  relayed  that  from what  he  had  learned  from                                                                    
others,  Cominco  had  not  had the  funding  to  start  the                                                                    
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro   addressed  slide   10  and   discussed  project                                                                    
financing for the  FedEx Hangar at the  Ted Stevens Memorial                                                                    
Airport  in  Anchorage.  He  cited   that  the  project  was                                                                    
successful  and  anchored jobs.  He  mentioned  the goal  of                                                                    
improving and  expanding some facilities at  the airport. He                                                                    
cited a report that one in  eight jobs in Anchorage was tied                                                                    
to the  airport. He noted  that AIDEA had financed  jet fuel                                                                    
tanks at the airport when there had been a jet fuel crisis.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:15:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro advanced to slide  11, "Project Financing - Ambler                                                                    
Access  Project." He  explained  that the  road project  was                                                                    
what  AIDEA  was currently  spending  most  of its  time  on                                                                    
currently. He  cited that  the project  was a  211-mile road                                                                    
west off  the Dalton Highway  in the Ambler  Mining District                                                                    
along  the Brooks  Range. He  mentioned the  Alaska National                                                                    
Interest  Lands  Conservation  Act (ANILCA)  and  considered                                                                    
that it was a right-of-way  that Congress said should exist.                                                                    
He  shared  that the  project  was  in the  pre-construction                                                                    
stage and was  in litigation. There was a  $24 million field                                                                    
program  set to  be underway  in the  current year,  and the                                                                    
project was focused on local hire  for most of the jobs. The                                                                    
hope was  that Ambler would  end up  similar to the  Red Dog                                                                    
Mine.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  looked at  the two bullets  at the  bottom of                                                                    
slide 11:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Through September 1, 2021:                                                                                                 
     3,256 mining claims purchased for mining                                                                                   
     3,931 jobs in mining operations & $300 million                                                                             
     in wages for mining operations                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl asked  if the mining claims  were contained in                                                                    
the Ambler District.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  relayed that  the  mining  claims were  not  all                                                                    
contained  in the  Ambler District,  which was  more to  the                                                                    
west end of the road.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  Mr. Ruaro  to address  the proven  and                                                                    
probable reserves  identified in the district  that the road                                                                    
would be accessing.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro did  not have the information to  hand, but agreed                                                                    
to get the information. He  thought it was important to note                                                                    
that the road was being  permitted, and the mines would have                                                                    
a separate permitting process.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  thought the previous slide  had some baseline                                                                    
economic data and it was possible  to look at the values. He                                                                    
commented on a significant difference.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked Mr. Ruaro to provide the data.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro looked  at  slide 12,  and  discussed the  future                                                                    
development of  the West Susitna  Access Project,  which was                                                                    
an about 100-mile road with  recreational values and mineral                                                                    
values. The project  was still in the very  early stage, and                                                                    
AIDEA was  working on the National  Environmental Policy Act                                                                    
(NEPA)  permitting. He  mentioned potential  for timber  and                                                                    
mining  and  thought  the Department  of  Natural  Resources                                                                    
(DNR)  had  recently  put  out  a notice  for  oil  and  gas                                                                    
exploration possibilities.  He thought the project  could be                                                                    
a unique area for recreational access and mineral values.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered if AIDEA was  looking for federal                                                                    
assistance in building  the road for the  project, and asked                                                                    
if the road  would be a dirt road like  an oversized logging                                                                    
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro relayed  that the road would need to  be more of a                                                                    
significant industrial  road to  sustain the  mining trucks.                                                                    
He continued that AIDEA was  also in discussion with the DNR                                                                    
commissioner regarding federal assistance.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:19:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  showed slide  13  and  discussed future  project                                                                    
development for Alaska National  Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) 1002                                                                    
Leases.  He noted  that the  efforts of  getting the  leases                                                                    
into production was being  litigated by the non-governmental                                                                    
organizations (NGOs).  He hoped to  have an answer  from the                                                                    
judge about  proceeding within  the next  month or  two, but                                                                    
currently  progress  had  stopped.  He  thought  there  were                                                                    
roughly  10.3  billion  barrels   of  oil  estimated  to  be                                                                    
recoverable. He noted that there  were state leases offshore                                                                    
of ANWR in  state waters, which were estimated  to contain 2                                                                    
billion  barrels of  oil. There  were also  Kaktovik Inupiat                                                                    
Corporation  lands,  which  were   estimated  to  contain  1                                                                    
billion  barrels of  oil; and  the federal  1002 area  had 7                                                                    
billion barrels  of oil estimated as  recoverable. He shared                                                                    
that AIDEA's  plan was to  move forward with  an exploration                                                                    
program  and try  to define  the  resource if  it could  get                                                                    
through the court system.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if  the project  was for  leases the                                                                    
state had purchased.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered  "yes,  the leases had  been purchased by                                                                    
AIDEA.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl thought  the ANWR project seemed  like a "one-                                                                    
off," and everything else was  someone in the private sector                                                                    
doing  development  work with  a  little  state support.  He                                                                    
referenced  significant activity  and corporate  interest in                                                                    
the basin, and asked why the project was so different.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro was  not familiar with why more  companies had not                                                                    
bid  on the  ANWR leases.  He thought  there was  clearly an                                                                    
effort underway to  litigate or even boycott  any company by                                                                    
NGOs   and  others  if  entities  were  thought  to  be  too                                                                    
aggressive   in  developing   resources.  He   guessed  that                                                                    
companies had decided  there were other places  in the world                                                                    
that were easier to drill,  quicker to return, with avoiding                                                                    
being put in  the limelight by the NGOs   as  destroying the                                                                    
Arctic.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  had not found  the oil industry to  be easily                                                                    
cowed when there  was a resource thought to  be economic. He                                                                    
wondered why AIDEA, as a  state investment bank, made direct                                                                    
investment  in the  project rather  than  support a  private                                                                    
industry project.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro thought  the  AIDEA action  was  directed by  the                                                                    
board  in  order  to  make  sure  the  state  preserved  the                                                                    
opportunity in ANWR that Congress  had provided, rather than                                                                    
the possibility of  no one bidding on the  leases. There was                                                                    
nothing to  prohibit AIDEA from partnering  with the private                                                                    
sector  at a  later date.  There were  only two  lease sales                                                                    
directed by Congress  in the 2017 tax act,  and AIDEA wanted                                                                    
to make  sure the opportunity  was preserved for  the state.                                                                    
He commented  that potential revenues were  tens of billions                                                                    
of dollars.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:23:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro showed slide 14, "AIDEA Financial Highlights."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  turned  to  slide   15,  "AIDEA  2022  Financial                                                                    
Highlights," and  cited that AIDEA  had net income  of $35.8                                                                    
million  and 28  years of  positive annual  net income.  The                                                                    
AIDEA  dividend was  increasing, with  $17.9 million  in the                                                                    
current  year  and $463  million  in  total dividends  since                                                                    
1996.  There had  been a  67 percent  increase from  2017 to                                                                    
2021, and  he thought  the dividend had  a record  of strong                                                                    
positive returns. He thought in  most years the dividend was                                                                    
close  to the  50  percent  maximum and  was  47 percent  on                                                                    
average.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  considered slide  16, "Where  Does AIDEA  Get Its                                                                    
Money?" He explained that AIDEA  received revenue from three                                                                    
locations:   its   loan   participation   program,   project                                                                    
investments like  the Red Dog  Mine, and some  reserves that                                                                    
returned revenue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  displayed slide  17,  which  showed a  financial                                                                    
summary  for FY  22.  He  identified that  AIDEA  had a  net                                                                    
position at  the beginning of  the year of $1.4  billion. He                                                                    
cited  that   AIDEA  had  investments,   securities,  loans,                                                                    
assets, Snettisham, power lines, and the Red Dog Mine.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Stedman    asked    about   the    net    income                                                                    
increase/(decrease)   in  fair   value  of   investments  of                                                                    
negative $48 million, which was in the right-hand column.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro deferred  the question to AIDEA  staff. He thought                                                                    
the information might be a  partial reflection of the write-                                                                    
down of the Mustang Project.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:26:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AMY    ADLER,   ACTING    CFO,    ADIEA,   ANCHORAGE    (via                                                                    
teleconference),  believed that  the $48  million referenced                                                                    
on slide  17 was the  change in  fair market value  of AIDEA                                                                    
investments on June 30.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about the investments.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Adler referenced  AIDEAs   investment portfolio,  which                                                                    
was primarily externally managed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for  more information including three                                                                    
to  four years  of performance  of the  portfolio. He  asked                                                                    
about the  Snettisham Project, and  asked if  Snettisham was                                                                    
reverting to the utility and how it would impact AIDEA.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro relayed  that the Alaska Electric  Light and Power                                                                    
(AEL and P)  Company would have the  opportunity to purchase                                                                    
Snettisham at the  end of the loan. He thought  the loan had                                                                    
12  years left.  He had  spoken with  AEL and  P, which  had                                                                    
indicated it  would continue with the  existing payment plan                                                                    
and consider purchasing the asset at  the end of the life of                                                                    
the loan.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if AIDEA  would retain  ownership of                                                                    
Snettisham if AEL and P did not purchase it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked about assets  and requested a list of                                                                    
development projects  including investments and  a breakdown                                                                    
of the $461 million in development projects.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked Ms. Adler  to assist with a breakdown                                                                    
of the  balance sheet and  projects that comprised  the $461                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Adler agreed  to get  back  to the  committee with  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  for a  brief explanation  regarding                                                                    
the $219 million of deferred  inflows of resources as listed                                                                    
on the slide.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Adler explained that the  deferred outflows of resources                                                                    
was  primarily  related to  employee  pension  and also  the                                                                    
Snettisham  Project. She  offered to  provide more  detailed                                                                    
information at a later time.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked for  explanation of Snettisham revenues                                                                    
and expenses.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Adler  did not have  the information at hand  and agreed                                                                    
to provide the information at a later time.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:30:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  highlighted slide 18,  which showed  an operating                                                                    
budget summary.  He cited  that the  operating budget  was a                                                                    
 fairly benign budget.   He noted that there would  be a few                                                                    
changes going  forward, most  of which  were related  to the                                                                    
increased  need  by the  Alaska  Energy  Authority (AEA)  to                                                                    
process  significant  amounts  (close   to  $2  million)  in                                                                    
Infrastructure  Investment and  Jobs Act  (IIJA) funds.  The                                                                    
funds  were coming  with a  possibility  of several  hundred                                                                    
million  more   coming  in  grants,  and   there  were  some                                                                    
increased receipts  for personnel  services. He  thought AEA                                                                    
was asking for  five positions in the budget  in the current                                                                    
year,  which he  thought  could increase  quickly. He  noted                                                                    
that  AEAs   budget  flowed   through  AIDEAs   budget,  and                                                                    
AIDEAs budget included AEAs personnel and costs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson asked  about AIDEA  personnel and  asked Mr.                                                                    
Ruaro to  discuss the workflow  and work  culture, including                                                                    
retention and recruitment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro viewed  the work environment as  very positive. He                                                                    
relayed that he  had a small group of  good staff, comprised                                                                    
of six to eight senior staff  that he met with twice weekly.                                                                    
He thought  AIDEA had  a very  healthy work  environment. He                                                                    
relayed that he had an  open management style, with everyone                                                                    
involved in issues and projects.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if there  had been a  culture change                                                                    
since Mr. Ruaro had started in his leadership role.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro could  not  speak to  the  prior environment  but                                                                    
emphasized that everyone was  treated respectfully and AIDEA                                                                    
was  seeing  similar  recruitment and  retention  issues  as                                                                    
other agencies.  He was  happy with his  core staff  and the                                                                    
work product. He  considered that everyone was  working as a                                                                    
team.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if there  were positions  that still                                                                    
needed to be filled.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro identified  that there  were  two open  positions                                                                    
that were anticipated  to be hired within  the following two                                                                    
weeks.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  for Mr.  Ruaro to  get back  to the                                                                    
committee with information about  the timeline of the hiring                                                                    
process. He  shared concerns that the  state bureaucracy was                                                                    
so  cumbersome  that it  took  too  long to  accomplish  the                                                                    
hiring,  which  sometimes  resulted  in  loss  of  potential                                                                    
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro relayed that AIDEA  had a statute that allowed for                                                                    
expedient  hiring. He  acknowledged that  it had  taken some                                                                    
time to  hire individuals for certain  positions. He thought                                                                    
there were  some good  candidates, and  the agency  would be                                                                    
hiring for some positions in the next week.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:34:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asked if  any of  the positions  being hired                                                                    
were out of state.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  relayed that  all of  AIDEAs  positions  were in-                                                                    
state work at the office and all of the candidates were in-                                                                     
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro looked at slide  19, "AIDEA Dividend Information,"                                                                    
and relayed that  AIDEA's dividend for the FY  24 budget was                                                                    
unique.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro addressed  slide 20, "What Does AIDEA  Do With Its                                                                    
Profits?"  He  offered  background that  revenue  came  into                                                                    
AIDEA and was reinvested as  programs or issued as dividends                                                                    
as the statutory 20 percent to 50 percent of annual income.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  advanced to  slide  21,  "AIDEA Annual  Dividend                                                                    
Overview,"  and cited  that  AIDEA had  a  strong record  of                                                                    
dividends,  with  47  percent  of net  income  as  the  norm                                                                    
provided to the treasury, with $464 million over 28 years.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro looked  at slide 22, "2022  Declared Dividend," He                                                                    
explained that the 2022 declared  dividend, which was in the                                                                    
current years   budget, was $17,904,000  in cash  or assets.                                                                    
Shortly  before  he  had  been hired,  the  board  passed  a                                                                    
resolution that  the dividend would  be that amount  in cash                                                                    
or assets.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro   spoke  to  slide  23,   "Budget  Amendment  for                                                                    
Dividend.   He explained  that the  slide showed  the budget                                                                    
amendment provided  by the Office  of Management  and Budget                                                                    
(OMB)  to   the  committee   was  for   roughly  $13,904,000                                                                    
allocated to the  value of the Mustang Road,  which would be                                                                    
returned back  to DNR and  the state. He explained  that the                                                                    
dividend  was unique  as it  was the  first time  in AIDEAs                                                                     
history it was including an asset rather than cash.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought the  committee might have questions                                                                    
on slide  23. He noted  that the presentation  would address                                                                    
the  Mustang  Project, and  suggested  Mr.  Ruaro wanted  to                                                                    
defer questions until the slides  were discussed. He thought                                                                    
the Mustang  Road was  a project  that had  been challenging                                                                    
for the state. He thought it  might be easier for the public                                                                    
to  follow if  Mr.  Ruaro  offered a  brief  history of  the                                                                    
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro thought  his staff could offer  a brief chronology                                                                    
of the project.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:38:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked  Mr.  Ruaro  to  review  the  $17.9                                                                    
million  dividend, and  asked if  he had  indicated that  $4                                                                    
million  was  in cash.  He  thought  in previous  years  the                                                                    
dividend had  been as high  as $26  million, and all  of the                                                                    
close to $1 billion in dividends had been in cash.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked if  the board  made the  decision to                                                                    
give a  dividend in assets  and asked how it  was allowable.                                                                    
He asked  if there was a  law that allowed for  the dividend                                                                    
to  be provided  in land.  He thought  the reason  the state                                                                    
wanted a  return on investment  was so the state  could have                                                                    
the cash to  allocate to the citizens of  Alaska. He thought                                                                    
it seemed  as though  the state invested  cash in  AIDEA and                                                                    
now  getting  another  asset   that  would  not  potentially                                                                    
realize income  that the legislature  could spend.  He asked                                                                    
Mr.  Ruaro  to  comment  before  beginning  to  discuss  the                                                                    
Mustang Project.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro affirmed that the  board made the decision, and by                                                                    
statute the board  was authorized to declare  a dividend. In                                                                    
the resolution  of December 2022,  the board took  the steps                                                                    
of declaring a dividend with  the inclusion of an allocation                                                                    
of value to an asset.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked under what  authority the  board had                                                                    
to give  dividends via  investment, which  he did  not think                                                                    
was something the state had originally intended.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  relayed that  there was  a specific  statute that                                                                    
gave the board the authority to declare dividends.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman relayed  that  he was  well  aware of  the                                                                    
statute, and  wanted to  know how  the board  determined the                                                                    
dividend would not be cash.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro was  not present at the board  meeting but assumed                                                                    
that the  board had  debated and voted  on the  structure of                                                                    
the dividend, which was the normal process.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  Mr. Ruaro  to  address the  Mustang                                                                    
Project and  then return  to the topic  of the  dividend. He                                                                    
thought  the committee  would find  that  there was  another                                                                    
agency involved. He thought clearly  a dividend that was not                                                                    
cash  was  cumbersome  for  the   committee  to  deal  with,                                                                    
particularly in the capital budget.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked for an  overview and history  of the                                                                    
Mustang Project.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:42:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEOFFREY JOHNS, ACTING CHIEF  INVESTMENT OFFICER, AIDEA (via                                                                    
teleconference),  introduced   himself  and   discussed  his                                                                    
background. He  relayed that he  had been an  AIDEA employee                                                                    
and had  been involved in  the Mustang Project  since August                                                                    
2019.  He explained  that the  Mustang  Project and  AIDEAs                                                                     
involvement began  in 2011  to 2012. At  the time  there had                                                                    
been  a  suite  of   diverse  working  interest  owners  and                                                                    
interested  parties. The  primary company  he would  address                                                                    
was  the Brooks  Range Petroleum  Corporation (BRPC),  which                                                                    
was a working  interest owner and main  operator of Mustang.                                                                    
He  relayed that  he would  discuss  the Southern  Miluveach                                                                    
Unit (SMU) and the Mustang Projects as synonyms.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns continued  that BRPC had begun  development on the                                                                    
Mustang Project in  2012 when they attempted  to drill wells                                                                    
to  assess available  resources  on SMU.  From 2012  through                                                                    
2015  BRPC  had   provided  DNR  with  an   annual  plan  of                                                                    
development, which  it was  ultimately unsuccessful  to meet                                                                    
for a suite of reasons.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He relayed  that AIDEA  had gotten  involved in  the Mustang                                                                    
Project  in 2013,  when it  passed a  resolution (Resolution                                                                    
G1208)  to   fund  up   to  $20   million  related   to  the                                                                    
construction of the Mustang Road  and Pad. He continued that                                                                    
BRPC had constructed the road  including a pad for about $26                                                                    
million to  $27 million.  He continued  that in  2014, AIDEA                                                                    
advanced (through  resolution) an additional $50  million to                                                                    
the  development of  the Mustang  Project, which  was to  be                                                                    
part of a broader $250 million development.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns  continued that  the additional  funds were  to be                                                                    
raised through  an Asian entity. The  other ownership groups                                                                    
were  Alpha  Energy  Holdings  and   CES  Oil  Services.  He                                                                    
recounted that the  project had run into  challenges in 2015                                                                    
with   the   precipitous   decline  in   commodity   prices.                                                                    
Ultimately the project  had been put into   warm standby  in                                                                    
the  period, while  the working  interest  owners and  AIDEA                                                                    
tried to work  out how to advance financing  to the project.                                                                    
The  additional funding  through he  Southeast Asian  entity                                                                    
had  not materialized.  In combination  with a  veto of  tax                                                                    
credits, the project had insufficient cash.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:47:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns continued  that through  various resolutions,  in                                                                    
2017 AIDEA provided  a bridge loan of $2.5  million that was                                                                    
related  to one  particular  well that  was flow-tested  and                                                                    
certified  by  DNR  to  be   able  to  produce  in  economic                                                                    
quantities  which  preserved  SMU as  a  unit.  Subsequently                                                                    
AIDEA had  provided an additional  loan of  an approximately                                                                    
$300,000  line  of credit  to  sustain  the project  through                                                                    
depressed commodity prices.  At the time, AIDEA  was also in                                                                    
negotiations with  BRPC and other interest  owners to change                                                                    
its involvement in  the project from equity  owner to senior                                                                    
secured lender, which ultimately took  place in May of 2019.                                                                    
He continued that  AIDEA had provided a $64  million loan to                                                                    
an  entity  to  Caracol  Petroleum, which  was  owned  by  a                                                                    
Singapore entity called Alpha Energy.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns  continued  that  in   the  fall  of  2019,  BRPC                                                                    
approached  AIDEA and  informed it  was unable  to meet  its                                                                    
debt service payment of $3.1  million (due on October 1) and                                                                    
asked for forbearance. Because the  project drilling had not                                                                    
advanced, the  decision was made to  not provide forbearance                                                                    
and  to issue  notice to  cure. He  continued that  BRPC was                                                                    
unable  to cure  the  default  on the  loan  and notices  of                                                                    
default were issued.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns recalled that at  the time, BRPC was still seeking                                                                    
to produce  oil and ultimately  did in November  2019. There                                                                    
was a  period of  production for 20  days and  BRPC produced                                                                    
approximately 11,000  barrels of  oil. Production had  to be                                                                    
ceased  because  BRPC was  unable  to  capture the  gas  and                                                                    
reinject  it back  into the  reservoir  before reaching  the                                                                    
limits of  its gas flaring  permit. In December  the project                                                                    
was  placed in  warm  standby again.  As  the senior  secure                                                                    
lender, AIDEA  was working with  the new ownership  group to                                                                    
refinance the project and get it started.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns continued  that AIDEA  had  passed an  additional                                                                    
resolution  related  to  the  attempted  restructuring.  The                                                                    
owners had failed to meet  the conditions on the signed term                                                                    
sheet,  and  as a  result  AIDEA  had commenced  foreclosure                                                                    
proceedings  on the  project. The  project  was placed  into                                                                    
 cold shutdown,  at which time  the pad and the oil pipeline                                                                    
were  de-inventoried  of   all  hydrocarbons  and  sensitive                                                                    
electronic equipment were moved offsite for secure storage.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:51:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns recounted  that throughout  the  summer of  2020,                                                                    
AIDEA  continued to  work with  the  working interest  owner                                                                    
group at  another attempt to  refinance and  restructure the                                                                    
development.  At the  AIDEA  September  board meeting  there                                                                    
were  representations made  by the  ownership group  that it                                                                    
was  prepared to  proceed with  the  negotiated deal.  Based                                                                    
upon  the  information,  AIDEA had  proceeded  with  a  non-                                                                    
judicial  foreclosure  in late  September  of  2020. At  the                                                                    
time, there was  a resignation of the operator  of BRPC, and                                                                    
AIDEA  foreclosed on  its working  interest in  the form  of                                                                    
real  and  personal property  and  became  the 90.1  percent                                                                    
working interest owner of the Mustang development.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns  explained that immediately upon  foreclosure, the                                                                    
entity AIDEA was  dealing with decided to  change the nature                                                                    
of  the pre-negotiated  deal. He  continued  that AIDEA  had                                                                    
been unable to  proceed and took steps  for Mustang Holdings                                                                    
(the entity  created and  wholly owned  by AIDEA)  to become                                                                    
the  named  operator of  SMU  and  commenced satisfying  all                                                                    
regulatorily  required   insurance  and  bonding.   For  the                                                                    
previous two years,  AIDEA had been working to  secure a new                                                                    
deal  for  the  redevelopment  of the  Mustang  Project.  In                                                                    
August 2021,  the board approved  to commence  a competitive                                                                    
bid  and sale  process. He  detailed that  AIDEA had  signed                                                                    
non-disclosure agreements  with 8 to 10  interested parties.                                                                    
Since  that  time,  AIDEA  had  been  negotiating  with  one                                                                    
interested party  and remained in conversation  in the hopes                                                                    
of successful resolution to the Mustang Project.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:54:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  referenced the $2 million  loan, and asked                                                                    
if the loan was in payment of property tax.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns  did not  have the  information at  hand regarding                                                                    
the $2 million bridge loan.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought the information  was in  an audit,                                                                    
which he could have printed for the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman thought  the audit  that Co-Chair  Stedman                                                                    
referenced  was done  by the  Legislative  Budget and  Audit                                                                    
Committee.  He   asked  if  Mr.  Johns   could  provide  his                                                                    
testimony in writing, with notation  of the resolutions that                                                                    
had  been   referenced.  He  thought  the   information  was                                                                    
important  and thought  the  committee  should have  written                                                                    
copies.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  to walk  through  the timelines  to                                                                    
avoid  confusion.  He agreed  that  a  written copy  of  the                                                                    
testimony would be helpful in addition to the audit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  thought it sounded  as though AIDEA  owned 90                                                                    
percent of the  road. He asked how much money  AIDEA had put                                                                    
in.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  to walk  through  the  forthcoming                                                                    
slides that addressed the project  and circle back to issues                                                                    
around the road.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:57:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro showed slide 24, "Mustang Road."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  turned to  slide  25,  "Southern Miluveach  Unit                                                                    
(SMU) &  Mustang Project,"  which showed a  map of  the SMU,                                                                    
which  was located  in between  the Willow  Project and  the                                                                    
Pikka Project and  a number of other  developments. He cited                                                                    
that  the  area  was  a  strategic  location  and  the  road                                                                    
connected into the other developments.  The Mustang Road was                                                                    
about 4  miles long and the  Mustang Pad was about  17 acres                                                                    
in size.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro considered slide 26,  which showed a photograph of                                                                    
an  aerial  view of  the  road  as it  led  to  the pad  and                                                                    
connected into an existing road.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro displayed slide 27, "Mustang Road  Timeline:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      CY 2012                                                                                                                
          o Q4: AIDEA Board approves $20 million investment                                                                     
             in                                                                                                                 
                Mustang Road LLC for the road and pad                                                                        
                  project                                                                                                       
                AIDEA Board Resolution G12-08                                                                                
                Total cost estimate of $25 million                                                                           
                Brooks Range Petroleum Corporation (Brooks                                                                   
                  Range) to fund $5 million & any cost                                                                          
                  overruns                                                                                                      
      CY 2013                                                                                                                
         Q1-Q3: Mustang road & pad constructed, completed                                                                    
          in July 2013                                                                                                          
           AIDEA    Board   approves   cost   reimbursement                                                                  
            agreement with Brooks Range re: SMU                                                                                 
           AIDEA Board Resolution G13-01                                                                                     
           DNR grants Brooks Range a 5-year early entry                                                                      
             authorization                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  mentioned Co-Chair Hoffman's comments  and agreed                                                                    
to get copies of the board resolutions and timeline.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  to  get  information regarding  the                                                                    
voting record for the resolutions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought that  some of the information would                                                                    
be  included in  the audit.  He thought  the minutes  of the                                                                    
meetings would be useful.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro continued to review slide 27.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about the last bullet on the slide.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked  about slide 26, and asked  if the blue                                                                    
line was representative of the Mustang Road.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  thought the blue  line denoted the length  of the                                                                    
Mustang Road.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop asked  if the  darker line  was the  Mustang                                                                    
Road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro highlighted  slide 28,  "Mustang Road    Timeline                                                                    
(cont.)"                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      CY 2017                                                                                                                
           Q1: Brooks Range assigns Mustang Road LLC (MR                                                                     
             LLC) easement to AIDEA                                                                                             
           Q2: AIDEA Board approves acquisition of 100%                                                                      
             membership interests of MR LLC                                                                                     
               square4 AIDEA Board Resolution G17-06                                                                            
           Q4: MR LLC and Brooks Range enter into a Road                                                                     
             and Pad Use Agreement                                                                                              
           Q4: AIDEA informs DNR that the Authority has                                                                      
             acquired 100% of the membership interests in MR                                                                    
             LLC and asks for the assignment of ADL 419880                                                                      
             from Brooks Range                                                                                                  
      CY 2018                                                                                                                
           Q2: Brooks Range and Oil Search Alaska (OSA)                                                                      
             enter into a month-to-month SMU Infrastructure                                                                     
             Use Agreement                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:01:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked about the  first quarter of 2017 when                                                                    
the Mustang  Road was assigned  to AIDEA. He asked  if there                                                                    
was any value to the transfer.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro deferred the question to Mr. Johns.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns noted that the  timeline was before his tenure but                                                                    
thought there was not any  value related to the transaction.                                                                    
He noted that  an entity, Mustang Road,  LLC, was structured                                                                    
related  to the  potential road  and use  pad agreement  and                                                                    
recovery of  $20 million in  investment revenues  that AIDEA                                                                    
had  provided to  BRPC.  There was  also  a nominal  working                                                                    
interest that Mustang  Road, LLC had at the time  in the SMU                                                                    
of 1 percent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked if AIDEA had requested the easement.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns  relayed  that  he needed  to  look  for  further                                                                    
information  in  the   board  resolution  and  documentation                                                                    
related to the transfer and assignment of the easement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  explained  that the  committee  preferred                                                                    
additional documentation  rather than having Mr.  Johns make                                                                    
a misstatement.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro looked  at  slide 29,  "Mustang  Road    Timeline                                                                    
(cont.)":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
       CY 2019                                                                                                               
           Q1: DNR grants Brooks Range a 20-year private,                                                                    
             non-exclusive Mustang Road easement (ADL                                                                           
             419880)                                                                                                            
           Q2: Oil Search Alaska (OSA) applies for an                                                                        
             easement covering the entire length of the road                                                                    
             crossing Brooks Range's and ConocoPhillips'                                                                        
             leases                                                                                                             
           Q3: OSA submits a supplement to the easement                                                                      
             application addressing pump house pad location                                                                     
             and a water source access road                                                                                     
           Q3: Brooks Range, via letter to DNR, states                                                                       
             that  the  OSA  easement  application  directly                                                                    
             conflicts  and   overlays   the  Mustang   Road                                                                    
             easement (ADL 419880) and does not consider and                                                                    
             protect the pre-existing easement                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  added that Oil  Search Alaska and  BRPC disagreed                                                                    
on the ability to use the road.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  about the  transfer of  the Mustang                                                                    
Road easement in  the first quarter of 2019,  and whether it                                                                    
was the same easement that was granted to DNR in 2017.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro deferred the question to Mr. Johns.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns  thought  the  clarification  would  need  to  be                                                                    
reviewed  because  the  matter  was  specific  to  BRPC  and                                                                    
understanding between the two different easement transfers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:05:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  thought Mr.  Johns had  shared that  in 2019,                                                                    
AIDEA  had  converted its  ownership  to  that of  a  senior                                                                    
secured lender. He asked for more details.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Johns  explained   that  in   2018,  AIDEA   commenced                                                                    
conversations  with  BRPC  and its  working  interest  owner                                                                    
group, specifically Caracol Petroleum,  which was owned by a                                                                    
Singapore-based entity called Alpha  Energy Holdings. In May                                                                    
of   2019,   through   transaction  documents,   AIDEA   had                                                                    
restructured  its involvement  in  the  project from  equity                                                                    
owner to senior secured lender in  the form of a $64 million                                                                    
loan, a  separate $6 million  loan, and the assumption  of a                                                                    
DOR loan of approximately $16  million, which was subject to                                                                    
the audit discussed earlier.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about the collateral on the loans.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns  stated that  the  collateral  on the  loans  was                                                                    
principally the real property, which  included leases of SMU                                                                    
and other North Slope leases, as well as personal property                                                                      
in the form of equipment, bank loans, and other items.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked if there were any letters of credit                                                                      
involved in the transaction.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns stated, not to my knowledge, and relayed that                                                                         
he would confirm his statement.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro addressed slide 30, "Mustang Road  Timeline                                                                           
(cont.)":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      CY 2020                                                                                                                
      Q1: DNR grants OSA a 5-year entry authorization and                                                                    
        a 35-year easement term                                                                                                 
           Decision limited to determination whether                                                                         
             granting easement will be  of greatest economic                                                                    
             benefit to Alaska and resource development                                                                         
           Access states OSA shall coordinate with other                                                                     
             lease  and  easement  holders   and  shall  not                                                                    
             unreasonably   interfere    with   access    or                                                                    
             operations in leases held by other operators.                                                                      
      Q1: Brooks Range files appeal concerning the DNR                                                                       
        decision granting the overlapping easement                                                                              
           Basis of the appeal is that the granting of the                                                                   
             easement to  OSA, a  3rd  party, constituted  a                                                                    
             taking of  the  private  property (the  Mustang                                                                    
             Road) without consent or compensation                                                                              
           The appeal filing automatically stays the                                                                         
             overriding  easement  decision;   however,  the                                                                    
             then-DNR                                                                                                           
           Commissioner, under 11 AAC 02.606(a), removes                                                                     
             the automatic stay, which remains removed until                                                                    
             the appeal is adjudicated                                                                                          
      Q2: AIDEA and OSA entered into a Memorandum of                                                                         
        Understanding and  Cost  Reimbursement Agreement  to                                                                    
        develop a financing plan  for surface infrastructure                                                                    
        including access roads and pads  for the development                                                                    
        of the Pikka Unit                                                                                                       
           AIDEA Board Resolution G20-24                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for clarification about the                                                                              
commissioner that removed the automatic stay.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro clarified that it had been the DNR commissioner.                                                                      
He continued to address the slide.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  advanced to  slide 31,  "Mustang Road    Timeline                                                                    
(cont.)":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      CY 2021                                                                                                                
           Q2: DNR transfers the Mustang Road easement                                                                       
            (ADL 419880) to Mustang Holding LLC                                                                                 
      CY 2022                                                                                                                
           Q2: Mustang Holding LLC assumes Brooks Range                                                                      
             easement appeal re: OSA (now Santos) overriding                                                                    
             easement granted by DNR                                                                                            
                Mustang Holding LLC is granted opportunity                                                                   
                  to provide a supplement to the appeal                                                                         
                OSA (Santos) is granted a rebuttal to the                                                                    
                  supplement                                                                                                    
           Q3: Mustang Holding LLC comments on Santos                                                                        
             export pipeline Right of Way Application (ROW)                                                                     
           Q4: DNR grants OSA (Santos) pipeline ROW                                                                          
           Q4: AIDEA declares a $17.9 million dividend in                                                                    
             cash or assets                                                                                                     
                AIDEA Board Resolution G22-15                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:10:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked Mr. Ruaro to  repeat the information                                                                    
on slide 31.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro read  from the  slide  to address  the events  in                                                                    
2022.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought Santos got  use of the road with no                                                                    
compensation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if Mustang  Holdings, LLC  were the                                                                    
new owners of the road.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  what holding  AIDEA had  in Mustang                                                                    
Holdings, LLC.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro believed that AIDEA  was the owner/operator of the                                                                    
LLC. He deferred to Mr. Johns to confirm the points.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked Mr.  Johns  to  address if  Mustang                                                                    
Holdings, LLC was AIDEA.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns  answered affirmatively, and explained  that AIDEA                                                                    
had created  Mustang Holdings, LLC  to hold the  assets that                                                                    
were acquired in the 2020 non-judicial foreclosure.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for a definition of LLC.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns explained  that LLC  signified limited  liability                                                                    
corporation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  referenced  lost  cash.  He  asked  about                                                                    
Santos    renumeration  back   to   AIDEA.   He  asked   for                                                                    
clarification about the dividend.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro wanted  to clarify that Santos  contributed to the                                                                    
maintenance of the road.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman assumed that Santos  paid a nominal fee for                                                                    
wear and tear to the road.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:13:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   asked  about   the  importance   of  the                                                                    
easement.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro explained that the  easement right allowed for the                                                                    
use of the road.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked what the road was used for.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro informed that the road  was used for access to the                                                                    
Pikka Unit  and access  to the Mustang  Pad. He  thought the                                                                    
road was tied into ConocoPhillips pads.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if  Santos had  any interest  in the                                                                    
Mustang  pad, or  if  its interest  lay  in physical  assets                                                                    
beyond Mustang that it would want to use the road for.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  asked how the  decision was made for  use of                                                                    
the road  without compensation. He  found it  bothersome and                                                                    
discussed  a  multi-national  for-profit company  using  the                                                                    
road without compensation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  had  not  studied  the  matter  extensively  but                                                                    
understood  that  Oil  Search   Alaska,  LLC  had  filed  an                                                                    
application and designated a general  land use permit (which                                                                    
brought rights of use) that  overlapped the easement and the                                                                    
road. The commissioner had  granted the authorization, which                                                                    
brought with it the right to use the road.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  if the practice of  the general land                                                                    
use permit was  normal or rather a creative land  use by the                                                                    
commissioner.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro had  never heard of the  practice but acknowledged                                                                    
that  he  had   not  had  a  lot  of   experience  with  DNR                                                                    
authorizations.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  Mr. Johns  to address  general land                                                                    
use  permits  and  accessing state  owned  assets  for  only                                                                    
paying maintenance costs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns understood that it  was the only instance in which                                                                    
a third  party had  been granted  an overriding  easement on                                                                    
another  parties  previously  owned asset  and  pre-approved                                                                    
easement.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:16:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Merrick  asked who the  DNR commissioner was  at the                                                                    
time the authorization was granted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro thought it was Commissioner Corri Feige.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wanted to discuss the funding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  wondered how much  money the state  put into                                                                    
the Mustang Road via project  financing loans, bridge loans,                                                                    
and tax credits. He wondered how  much had been paid back in                                                                    
dividends minus  the value of  the asset. He noted  that the                                                                    
road was  across wetlands and  assumed it would not  be used                                                                    
save for those accessing the oil fields.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  to refer the question  to Mr. Johns.                                                                    
He  additionally queried  any  assessments of  value of  the                                                                    
road.  He wondered  how the  value of  the road  had changed                                                                    
over time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns  reiterated that in approximately  2012, AIDEA had                                                                    
provided  a  $20  million  loan  to  BRPC  specifically  for                                                                    
construction of the approximately  4.5-mile Mustang Road and                                                                    
17-acre  Mustang  pad. The  total  construction  of the  two                                                                    
elements  was  approximately  $26 million,  $16  million  of                                                                    
which was applied to the  Mustang Road. He referenced an as-                                                                    
built  valuation  performed  in  2016,  and  an  independent                                                                    
third-party  evaluation of  the road  performed in  November                                                                    
2021.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  mentioned the  importance of  the monetary                                                                    
values.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns relayed  that the  most recent  valuation of  the                                                                    
road was $13.9 million.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:20:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  estimated that  the  total  cost was  $26                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns  answered   yes.   He  noted  that  in  the  2013                                                                    
dollars,  $15 million  to $16  million was  specific to  the                                                                    
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wanted to know  what the total cash outflow                                                                    
was, and  the inflows in  order to  know the net  amount. He                                                                    
asked about  who had received  the substantial  credits that                                                                    
had been available.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johns relayed  that there was a history  of some credits                                                                    
received by  an entity involved  in the project.  He offered                                                                    
to  provide the  details  along with  the other  information                                                                    
that  was requested  by the  committee. He  cited that  more                                                                    
recently,  Mustang Operations  Center 1  (MOC 1)  received a                                                                    
sum of  $12 million  in the two  most recently  provided tax                                                                    
credit payments through DOR.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   asked  if  Mustang  LLC   or  AIDEA  got                                                                    
renumerated  any  credits  through collateral  or  financial                                                                    
transactions or if all the credits went to other parties.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns clarified  that AIDEA  was the  owner of  Mustang                                                                    
Holding  LLC,  and  Mustang Holding  LLC  owned  the  entity                                                                    
referred to as MOC 1, and  the MOC 1 entity had received the                                                                    
$12 million in tax credit payments.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked Mr.  Johns  to  help the  committee                                                                    
understand the data that it  would be spending. He made note                                                                    
of the  importance of the  committees  understanding  of the                                                                    
cash inflows  and outflows, including tax  credits. He asked                                                                    
for a  footnote of the  assessment, and when  the write-down                                                                    
appeared on the books. He  wanted a clear timeline and clear                                                                    
information on cash.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  asked about the  2019 conversion,  when there                                                                    
was  mention of  a $16  million loan  assumption by  DOR. He                                                                    
asked  about the  original source  of the  loan and  whether                                                                    
AIDEA had provided  cash or assets in  exchange for assuming                                                                    
the loan.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johns relayed  that  it would  be  necessary to  review                                                                    
documentation related to the loan to provide the details.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:24:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro addressed Senator Kiehl's  question and noted that                                                                    
the  source  of   the  loan  was  also  a   subject  of  the                                                                    
legislative audit.  He thought the audit  would identify the                                                                    
exact source of the DOR loan.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman affirmed  that the  audit, in  combination                                                                    
with the  other data,  would create a  clear picture  of the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  considered the asset of  $13.9 million for                                                                    
the road  and the $4  million in  cash that the  state would                                                                    
receive as a  dividend. He did not understand  how one would                                                                    
pay with an asset, which was  listed as payable in FY 24. He                                                                    
noted that the  $35.8 million statutory net  income of AIDEA                                                                    
was the  highest in 8  years. He considered that  instead of                                                                    
keeping  50  percent  of  the net  income,  AIDEA  would  be                                                                    
keeping  90 percent  or more.  He  asked how  the board  was                                                                    
planning to  use the additional  revenue. He  wondered about                                                                    
the difference in expenditures from the previous year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro   was  not  aware   of  an   identified  spending                                                                    
allocation for the funds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked Mr.  Ruaro to  look at  the proposed                                                                    
budget spending,  whether there was a  $14 million increase,                                                                    
and where  it was proposed to  be allocated. He asked  for a                                                                    
list of the  board members and locations, as well  as a list                                                                    
of job responsibilities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  considered the  $17 million  dividend paid                                                                    
in cash  and the  road asset. He  questioned what  the state                                                                    
would  do with  the  road  when it  was  transferred to  the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro affirmed  that the road would  divert in ownership                                                                    
to DNR;  which could retain  ownership and charge  an access                                                                    
fee or release, sell, or dispose of the road.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  surmised that  the committee could  have a                                                                    
conversation with DNR regarding the $13.9 million dividend.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:28:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman emphasized  that the  legislature was  the                                                                    
entity  that  appropriated  funds.  He  continued  that  the                                                                    
legislature   oversaw  AIDEA,   and  pondered   whether  the                                                                    
legislature  had the  flexibility in  the budget  process to                                                                    
say that it wanted a cash dividend.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought the question  should be directed to                                                                    
the Division of Legal and Research Services.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  thought  it  would  seem  as  though  the                                                                    
legislature would  have the  option as  the AIDEA  Board was                                                                    
not the appropriating body.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  agreed.  He thought  if  the  legislature                                                                    
wanted a  transaction between DNR  and AIDEA to  release any                                                                    
of the road, perhaps DNR should buy the road from AIDEA.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  understood that  the  road  was in  a  strategic                                                                    
location for  access to both  the Pikka Unit and  the Willow                                                                    
Project. He  thought there would be  a need for the  pad and                                                                    
the road.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought Santos  would prefer not  to build                                                                    
its own road. He thought there was a quagmire to unwind.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  asked,  given  the  commissioners   decision                                                                    
about non-exclusive access on  the surface, how much ability                                                                    
was there  to make money  off the strategic position  of the                                                                    
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro thought  Senator Kiehl had posed  a good question.                                                                    
He considered that  there was access needed  and staging use                                                                    
of  both the  pad and  the road,  but he  was unsure  how to                                                                    
value the uses.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  mentioned an  appraisal  of  the road  of                                                                    
roughly $13 million.  He thought it would be nice  to have a                                                                    
general idea of the cost to  replace the road. He noted that                                                                    
it  was possible  to  pick  up the  material  and engage  in                                                                    
reclamation of the land if desired.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro relayed that AIDEA  could try to get a replacement                                                                    
cost estimate.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought the estimate would be helpful.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:31:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  for fees  and permits  costs to  be                                                                    
included  in the  estimate.  He queried  the  total cost  of                                                                    
building an alternative road.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for a time frame to be included.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  agreed to  work on  the information  requested by                                                                    
Co-Chair Hoffman and Co-Chair Stedman.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thought DNR could  be helpful in assembling                                                                    
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  thought Mr. Ruaro  had indicated  that there                                                                    
was at least one interested  party looking at purchasing the                                                                    
whole project.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked if an  individual could view the assets                                                                    
if they wanted to sign an non-disclosure agreement (NDA).                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro answered affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  pondered the  purchase of the  Mustang Pad                                                                    
and leases and asked about road access.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  thought the  assets were  severable and  could be                                                                    
sold individually  or together. He continued  that AIDEA was                                                                    
actively trying  to find the  best solution for  the project                                                                    
that resulted in the most  return possible. He did not think                                                                    
the return would reach 100 percent or anywhere close.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked about the  general land  use permit,                                                                    
which was available but perhaps  never used, and wondered if                                                                    
it could be repealed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro was not certain of the terms of the permit.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   thought   the  committee   needed   the                                                                    
information and mentioned the loss of $13.9 million.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro  relayed that there  was a large amount  of detail                                                                    
and  backup information  that AIDEA  would  put together  to                                                                    
assist  the  committee.  He commented  on  the  quantity  of                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  knew that  Mr. Ruaro  was working  hard to                                                                    
unwind  the  issue, which  he  had  inherited. He  mentioned                                                                    
previous discussions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:35:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Ruaro    spoke   to    slide   32,    "2022   Dividend                                                                    
Details/Components":                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Total $17,904,000 in Cash and Assets                                                                                   
      Cash: $4.0 million                                                                                                     
      Assets: $13.9 million                                                                                                  
      Mustang Road*                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson  asked if DNR  was currently  responsible for                                                                    
the road maintenance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro believed  that Mustang MOC 1  was responsible, and                                                                    
that Santos was performing some maintenance to the road.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman thought  Mr.  Ruaro was  not referring  to                                                                    
AIDEAs Musting Holding LLC.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro answered   no,  and  indicated that  MOC 1  was a                                                                    
subsidiary.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Olson considered AIDEA, which  was given a grant of                                                                    
$300 million  in the  1960s to get  started. He  mentioned a                                                                    
recent  critical report  by some  senior  economists in  the                                                                    
area  that indicated  that if  the funds  had been  invested                                                                    
there  would  have  been  a  current  balance  of  over  $10                                                                    
billion.  He thought  it looked  as though  there was  not a                                                                    
good  rate of  return  in the  state's  investment from  the                                                                    
1960s.  He   considered  budget  requests  put   before  the                                                                    
committee.  He mentioned  the West  Susitna Access  Road and                                                                    
thought AIDEA  should look at  the project with a  streak of                                                                    
pessimism.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  informed  that  AIDEA  was  engaged  in  a  full                                                                    
rebuttal of the report  and thought there were inaccuracies,                                                                    
such as the  Red Dog Mines  ability to  move forward without                                                                    
any  assistance  from  AIDEA.  He  relayed  that  AIDEA  was                                                                    
reviewing the historical  and fiscal facts and  would have a                                                                    
full rebuttal report at some  point soon. He emphasized that                                                                    
AIDEA disagreed  with the statements and  conclusions in the                                                                    
report.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  looked forward to seeing  the rebuttal. He                                                                    
asked  if AIDEA  had hired  a  consultant to  help with  the                                                                    
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro informed  that North  Economics had  been engaged                                                                    
and  AIDEA staff  were also  researching the  historical and                                                                    
fiscal  facts.  He  anticipated a  strong  rebuttal  of  the                                                                    
report.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:39:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Merrick thought it seemed  as though the AIDEA Board                                                                    
was making  some significant decisions.  She asked  for more                                                                    
information  about  the   board  composition  and  selection                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  informed  that  the  board  had  seven  members,                                                                    
including two  commissioners from DOR and  the Department of                                                                    
Commerce, Community and Economic  Development. He listed Mr.                                                                    
J. Dana  Pruhs as the  chair of  the board. There  were five                                                                    
public members appointed by the governor.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Merrick  asked about the  length of terms  for board                                                                    
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro believed the term was four years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ruaro showed slide 33, "THANK YOU."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  appreciated the  work AIDEA  had done  as the                                                                    
state's investment  bank for a  lot of small  businesses and                                                                    
viable projects.  He acknowledged that the  banking business                                                                    
could be high risk when  it came to development projects. He                                                                    
shared the concern about AIDEA  radically expanding the risk                                                                    
when starting  to build things without  identified assets or                                                                    
deposits. He expressed significant concern.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman referenced  his request  for Mr.  Ruaro to                                                                    
come discuss the Mustang Project.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ruaro  thanked the  committee  for  the opportunity  to                                                                    
present and relayed that AIDEA  would follow up with all the                                                                    
backup material  that had been requested.  He commented that                                                                    
AIDEA had  been involved  in a range  of projects  from low-                                                                    
risk  to high-risk.  He noted  that  the high-risk  projects                                                                    
(such as  the Red Dog Mine)  came with a high  value return,                                                                    
and he thought the projects were worth the risk.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman thanked  AIDEAs  staff.  He discussed  the                                                                    
agenda for the following day.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:42:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:42 a.m.